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Post by Der Tod on Aug 26, 2008 16:52:54 GMT -5
Unfortunately, whether the rebels win or not probably can't be decided in character, because we don't have the infrastructure to, I don't know, determine how many NPCs get killed or whatever. Richard could throw every army in France at them, but how do we decide who wins? So that's probably something that can be decided, at least on a basic level. In the aftermath, what I'd like to see is a power vacuum leading to a struggle that whoever wants to can participate in, the outcome of which can be determined IC. Whatever the outcome, most play would be unaffected, just like it always is. That's my assumption, anyway. ^I like this.
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Post by Micaela on Aug 26, 2008 16:53:55 GMT -5
A power vacuum would actually be pretty cool, considering that in light of revolutions that don't have a planned outcome in mind (and most revolutions that do) result in something similar.
Confusion and fighting all around!
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Post by Mira Von Frankenstein on Aug 26, 2008 16:54:16 GMT -5
I *think* the rebels are winning, but I guess the best solution is something that doesn't affect too much of the plot. Some kind of government we can ignore if we want to, or not if we don't.
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Post by Erik on Aug 26, 2008 16:58:48 GMT -5
I think that gives the most amount of freedom to us all--no gov't is going to really affect us, just those who want to participate in its making. So this would allow the nobles to vie for power, and the candidates to do so as well at their level (they're not mutually exclusive), and anyone who's just not interested to go on with their lives.
If the rebels lose, Dick and Marie are forced to deal with them, which means imprisonment or execution, which means no fun for dead folks.
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Post by Meg Giry on Aug 26, 2008 16:59:34 GMT -5
This was directed more at whoever is Meg and just mentioned that "technically, a democratic government WOULD put someone in charge of the Verse IRL as well" ... No. Eliot, I don't mean to attack you or anything, but are you aware of how rude, condescending and almost cruel you tend to come off? I'm sure you don't mean to, but do you think you could be a little more careful?
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Post by Micaela on Aug 26, 2008 17:01:11 GMT -5
If the rebels win, I think it'll essentially be some kind of "What now?" Which is always fun.
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Post by Erik on Aug 26, 2008 17:09:31 GMT -5
Everyone.
This is a discussion, with many points of view, all valid. Let's keep the attacks to a minimum (read: none) and not get personal. Please consider speaking to someone in private if you feel it is called for.
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Post by Meg Giry on Aug 26, 2008 18:22:13 GMT -5
I have every respect for Eliot's opinion, even if I don't share it. I'm just asking him to please extend the same courtesy to the rest of us (not just me).
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Post by Captain Hank "Hazel" Murphy on Aug 26, 2008 20:40:12 GMT -5
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Post by Der Tod on Aug 26, 2008 20:42:21 GMT -5
Jess, I FREAKING LOVE YOU.
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Post by Susan on Aug 26, 2008 21:45:19 GMT -5
Anyway...
Is a constitutional monarchy (that players can ignore if they want and wouldn't regulate the authors) good with most people?
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Post by Jesse James on Aug 26, 2008 21:52:44 GMT -5
Yup, sounds good.
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Post by Maleo Basilio Addams on Aug 26, 2008 22:18:42 GMT -5
Well, I'm not involved in any sort of main plots.
Maleo's Spanish. Bryan came from America. Lee's from China. Testament is from Sweden.
All of my characters are immigrants. I don't think they'd be affected either way, because they wouldn't be able to vote. XD
Edit: Though my characters are not yet involved, that doesn't mean I don't want them involved if someone has an idea.
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Post by Meg Giry on Aug 26, 2008 22:34:21 GMT -5
I think immigrants to the Verse can vote as long as it's within their mindset that they're citizens. But it makes no sense for a character who still thinks of him- or herself as a foreigner to get involved. Maybe I'm the only one who has characters like that. But basically, it'd be like voting in the election of a country you're just visiting for the ones who don't think of themselves as Parisian. I'm still for the constitutional monarchy idea, as it allows both sides of the argument to compromise, and I think establishing a pure democracy or pure monarchy in the Verse would be unfair to anyone who disagreed with the established system.
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Post by Erik on Aug 27, 2008 8:53:58 GMT -5
This would not be the first time that a "large" plot was open to those who wanted to participate but did not affect anyone who did not wish to. Just because "government" is in the idea doesn't make it take effect as an actual government. At no time has anyone been kept from taking over, or trying to, Paris, France, or anyplace. We had the war, we had Fear Toxin, we had Dick and Marie, we had Lorien and a host of other "over-arcing" plots that had no consequences for those who ignored them.
This is no different, whether someone wants to play with royals or with democracy.
I, for one, am entirely comfortable with letting people play out the plots they like. It's not as if we've ever worried much about how our Paris operates before--I mean, shouldn't there have been some effect on the Opera, if the Third Republic is suddenly out of commission?
Bottom line is: we all have a "right" to try to take over Paris or otherwise create huge plot. We also have a "right" to opt out, unless somehow everyone agrees that all of our characters have a curfew or something. Hasn't happened.
I'll reiterate what I'd like to see happen: I'd like to see the rebels win, however marginally, so that the quite natural indecision of the victors will lead to a power vacuum which will allow royalists to vie amongst themselves (should anyone wish) and political animals to have their fun, too. I'd also like to see something that many people want to participate in, perhaps tying the Opera in so that the many characters there can also be involved. Above all, I want to remember that there's room for everyone and everything here, so no one should feel shut out.
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