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Post by Jonathan Crane on Jul 18, 2009 12:51:44 GMT -5
Crane's evil was never really about ambition- in his first comics appearance, he became a supervillain so he'd have more money to buy books (and lame as that is, that would probably be my motivation, too.) Ravenclaw through and through, there to prove Hagrid wrong when he said there was never a witch or wizard that went bad who wasn't in Slytherin...
Nellie Lovett/Queen Eleanor is a Slytherin, but is perfectly willing to bang muggle boys she can impress with her spells.
Reg Shoe is the Gyffindor ghost zombie Inferi trying to counter the negative stereotypes. He's a very active member of SPEW (and drags Vimes along with him.)
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Post by Midna on Jul 18, 2009 13:08:57 GMT -5
At one point, Midna could easily have been material for Slytherin; she thought nothing of dragging a hapless bystander into her convoluted plot to restore herself to power, basically making him her slave. But, eventually, she rather matured, and was even ready to sacrifice herself at one point; she managed to get into Gryffindor for the courage which she eventually showed.
Boy, is she good with curses, though.
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Post by Adrian Veidt on Jul 18, 2009 15:41:41 GMT -5
Crane's evil was never really about ambition- in his first comics appearance, he became a supervillain so he'd have more money to buy books (and lame as that is, that would probably be my motivation, too.) Ravenclaw through and through, there to prove Hagrid wrong when he said there was never a witch or wizard that went bad who wasn't in Slytherin... I think that was later proved in itself by Pettigrew, so it works.
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Post by Jonathan Crane on Jul 18, 2009 15:58:37 GMT -5
Yeah, and I know Rowling has said that not all Death Eaters were Slytherins. Ravenclaw strikes me as the Mad Scientist house.
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Post by Nicolas de Lenfent on Jul 18, 2009 16:00:30 GMT -5
I have always had issues with the way Slytherins are portrayed in the Harry Potter series. Though the main faults attributed to them are all linked to anti-Muggle prejudice, all the Slytherins always seem to be jerks. It doesn't sound like the tone of the books is reacting much against prejudice to me. Rowling did get better with this - slightly - by redeeming Snape a bit and, indeed, with Pettigrew - and by making a lot of things in good-bad divide murkier, but I still am not convinced she knew what a paradox that was, because the matter is never actually talked about.
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Post by Adrian Veidt on Jul 18, 2009 16:19:46 GMT -5
I think that basically, at the time of the first book, it was believed that most Death Eaters were Slytherins, but this was later proved untrue.
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Post by Nicolas de Lenfent on Jul 18, 2009 16:27:14 GMT -5
The first book is really not filled with the same culture the other books are, I've noticed. Just randomly. In that she kind of immersed the readers in it over time, or maybe it grew for her, too. Lots of things in it - such as Draco's mentioning the ballet and the way Neville describes his upbringing - suggest a much more integrated world, and, indeed, the subject of blood purity doesn't even show up for a while.
I still think that the issue is never dealt with by Rowling very well, though.
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Post by Sarah on Jul 18, 2009 16:56:09 GMT -5
No, I having nothing constructive to contribute. ;P
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Post by Jonathan Crane on Jul 18, 2009 19:10:33 GMT -5
Toby is a muggle being used as the plaything of some Slytherin girl he thinks loves him back.
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Post by Adrien Baillon on Jul 19, 2009 16:45:35 GMT -5
What a cheery assessment. O.o
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Post by Jonathan Crane on Jul 19, 2009 21:52:38 GMT -5
Well, considering that while on the verse he's been betrayed by every single woman he trusted and thought loved him back (even if Magda did it unintentionally)...
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Post by Prince Charming on Jul 20, 2009 8:28:46 GMT -5
Well, this should be fun.... Yager - Gryffindor at his core, probably. He DOES after all run into dangerous creatures' lairs and... converse with them. Javert - Gryffindor if I ever saw one. Dean Winchester - Gryffindor... he might have done well in Slytherin but he'd have wanted to please his daddy. Castiel - A Ravenclaw, I think... albeit a rather deranged one by now. Prince Charming - Well, duh, Gryffindor... not really a choice there. Alfred - Anywhere but Slytherin, really... though mine would probably go to Ravenclaw to be with Herbert (subconsciously, of course ) Uwe!Van Helsing - Er... Hufflepuff? If they would even take him. I mean, even for Hufflepuff he's rather useless. Hodgins - And the (slightly mad) scientist goes to Ravenclaw. Puppy - Would live in Dumbledore's beard. Definitely. Logan - Either Gryffindor or Slytherin... probably Slytherin for thinking murderous thoughts about everyone in the Great Hall for looking at him funny. Magneto - Ravenclaw or Slytherin. It all depends on his mood, really... and what Charles tells him to do. *is struck by random piece of metal* Vitani - Gryffindor or Hufflepuff, I don't really know him that well. Glittershine the Unicorn - Slytherin. It's the REAL evil creature in the Chamber of Secrets. Fenrir Greyback - Yeah... that one's not really a question, is it?
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Post by Erik on Jul 20, 2009 10:42:00 GMT -5
Feel free to argue. I haven't thought hard about this.
Alex - Gryffindor (I think you're right, Sarrin)
Buffy - Gryffindor (oh, those heroic types! This is after her calling, naturally, because before then, I don't know. Well, maybe her latent slayerness might have called her to Gryffindor anyway.)
Carlos - This is hard. He's got his ambition, and he's self-centered. I think probably Slytherin, though my reluctance to say so is probably based on the prejudice against the House.
Cry-Baby - Gryffindor, I think. He'd probably feel weird about belonging to the "good guys" or whatever, but he's a decent fellow under the leather and doesn't really have the wit or cunning of the other Houses. And he's brave enough.
Mr. Darcy - Gryffindor. Based mostly on pride and chivalry or something.
The Doctor - Gryffindor.
Ed Wood - Hufflepuff. Ambitious Hufflepuff, maybe.
Edward Cullen - Thinks he's Slytherin. Is wrong.
Holmes - Ravenclaw with Gryffindor values (bravery, etc).
Jekyll/Hyde - Jekyll's in Ravenclaw, I think, though there are darker aspects to him (disregard for consequences?) which lead me to think that if pushed, he might have been sorted Slytherin. Though unlikely.
Erik - Slytherin. Is there any doubt, really? Even at 11 or whatever, the seeds of cunning and whatnot were there.
Figwit - Gryffindor by destiny. Probably would have preferred Ravenclaw by nature.
Gwynplaine - Hufflepuff.
Kirk - Totally Gryffindor. He probably thinks he's their mascot.
Kris - Ravenclaw. Pretty sure. I hope, anyway. My fear is I'd be sorted into Hufflepuff, actually.
Lawrence - Here's another the Hat might have had trouble with. He embodied so much in his life, starting out as a scholar (and being one his whole life) but when forced into the role exhibiting great bravery and humanity. So Ravenclaw or Gryffindor, depending on what the Hat might have seen.
Luke - Gryffindor, eh?
Lyra - Slytherin, I think. I mean, just based on her instinct for self-preservation. Maybe Griffyindor.
Marius - Ravenclaw.
Mark Lewis - Hufflepuff. Poor dear. I mean that his potential is Hufflepuff, but his circumstances led him to... well, it's a bit like Norman. I think I'm drawn to those people who were utterly gentle until warped by childhood into inadvertent monsters. Fictional ones, anyway.
Mulder - Could have gone so many ways. I don't know what the Hat can see at that age, as a lot of Mulder's character preoccupations seem to have been formed shortly after. The Mulder I know? Probably Ravenclaw with strong Gryffindor qualities, so that's a toss up. Could see him going the other two ways, too, because he's got a lot of qualities that were, at one point, probably fairly malleable.
Norman - Hufflepuff. See Mark Lewis.
Orlando - Ravenclaw. Wit and beauty.
Oscar - Gryffindor like whoa.
The Persian - This is weirdly difficult. I want to say both Gryffindor and Ravenclaw, though neither exactly fits the man I know. Regardless, he's oddly drawn to some of the more rule-dismissive figures of the school, regardless of House, and is fascinated by Slytherin despite condemning much of what their reputation suggests.
Phoenix - Slytherin based on ambition. I don't have a great handle on her, frankly.
Richard III - Slytherin. Ambition, cunning, etc.
Rogue - All things being equal, Hufflepuff. It's possible the Hat might see some potential and Gryffindor her.
Sanjuro - Rogue Gryffindor. As in, he's not excatly a team player, but if he belongs anywhere, it's there.
Scarlett - Slytherin. Her ambition and will-to-life trump everything. Gryffindor under better, less shallow circumstances, maybe?
Shadi - Gryffindor. I think there's no question. I think one of the secrets of Shadi is that she's Gryffindor despite an upbringing that might have stronly suggested some Slytherin.
Valmont - Slytherin. And loves it.
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Post by Adrien Baillon on Jul 20, 2009 11:58:25 GMT -5
Aha. *chokes on what she's drinking* The Valmont part. I mean...
Edward Cullen. Is a squib.
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Post by Erik on Jul 20, 2009 11:59:06 GMT -5
Do you not agree?
And you're totally right about Edward, haha.
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